December 17, 2005

We Have Become Our Enemy

Filed under: Random Stuff — Bob Gifford @ 10:04 pm

Wake up, America! Look at what we have allowed the terrorists to do to our country. Not the Iraqi insurgents, but the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11. They brought down the World Trade towers and killed 3,000 innocent Americans, but that is not the real damage they have inflicted on us. They have harmed us in a far, far worse way than merely killing 3,000 of our friends and family and destroying an American landmark.

They have made us become like them.

Look at what we are doing today, all because of 9/11. We have become torturers! We redefined the word “torture” to exclude our preferred practices, and we “outsourced” the torturing to other countries, but it’s still torture and we’re still culpable. Finally, Bush has agreed to ban torture only because he saw that he was rapidly losing congressional and international support for his administration. And we are not even ashamed! We have become our enemy.

In violation of the Constitution, that “goddamned piece of paper“, Bush personally authorized surveillance on US residents and citizens without a warrant. Saddam Hussein couldn’t be bothered with obtaining a warrant either. And we are not ashamed! We have become our enemy.

We imprison American citizens and hold them without a trial, abandoning the cherished legal principle of habeas corpus. We have imprisoned innocent Afghans and Iraqis that were caught up in our search for terrorists. And we are not ashamed! We have become our enemy.

We preemptively invaded a largely castrated Iraq. Saddam Hussein’s regime was evil, but was not an imminent threat to the U.S. nor its neighbors. We justify it in the name of the war on terror. We still try to pretend that the Iraq War is a necessary response to 9/11, claiming it’s better to fight the terrorists there than here, forgetting that Iraq played no role in 9/11. And we are not ashamed! We have become our enemy.

It used to be that Americans were the good guys. During World War II, and the Cold War, we were on the side of good. Immediately following 9/11, we were the good guys. During the invasion of Afghanistan, the world understood that we were protecting ourselves, and we were the good guys.

But look at us now! We behave like the terrorists we are fighting. And we are not ashamed!

We have become our enemy.


  1. Bob, your source for this quote, which makes the claim President Bush said the constitution is just a ““goddamned piece of paper,“” Capitol Hill Blue, is one of the most virilent far left extremist, unbalanced, non credible websites I have come across in ALL the years I have been interacting on the internet. Honestly, at one point I truly thought you might be someone who seeks the truth, but the idea that you would even honeor this particular source with a link reference completely dashes any thought I might have had in that regard. Geesh, continuing to shake my head at the Grand Poopah of IAACT!

    Comment by Jacke — December 18, 2005 @ 3:36 pm

  2. Bob writes:

    “We redefined the word “torture” to exclude our preferred practices, and we “outsourced” the torturing to other countries, but it’s still torture and we’re still culpable.”

    Oh? What about moral relativity, Bob??? Are you suggesting that “torture” is black and white!? Are you suggesting that there will be no further debate over what is demoralizing, inhumane and torturous? All of a sudden this is such a black and white issue, there are no shades of gray, no effecting circumstances, it’s easy to know that it’s just plain WRONG for people to torture another and everyone *knows* what constitutes torture???
    You are so ready to be passionate for a black and white issue when it suits you and that too is relative, relative to what Bob, the Grand Poopah of IAACT, determines in his OWN mind about what is right and what is wrong. Good one, Bob. I understand your pain.

    Comment by Jacke — December 18, 2005 @ 3:46 pm

  3. Jacke –

    I think the word you’re looking for is “poobah”. “Poopah” sounds a tad too scatological for me. 🙂

    Just for the record, I am not a moral relativist. I believe that God’s will is absolute in any given situation. The gray comes as we, seeing through a glass darkly, try to discern God’s will for us in the specifics of the choices we face each day.

    The context of a particular situation can justify murder (self-defense) or lying (protecting loved ones from unnecessary pain).

    I can think of no context that would justify torturing another human who, regardless of their actions or beliefs, is made in God’s image.

    It’s interesting that you bring up that Capitol Hill Blue piece. The author claims that he heard it from 3 people that were in the meeting. But true, it isn’t coming from WaPo, or the NY or LA Times, so it isn’t as credible. The reason I linked to it, though, is that it fits with Bush’s recent behavior. He justifies wiretaps without a warrant as within his power as Commander in Chief when the 4th Amendment, not to mention the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, clearly prohibits it. He’s behaving as if he doesn’t care what the Constitution says, so the quote fits. Hence my link.

    Comment by Bob — December 18, 2005 @ 7:50 pm

  4. Long ago Capitol Hill Blue admitted in their about us or whatever link that they were spoofing, unserious journalists who no other news agency would take seriously and hire. They changed it shortly thereafter, had I known they would change it I would have saved it to show people what a bunch of morons they are. They do nothing but spread rumor and gossip, never name sources. They once did a piece all about how Bush is insane based on what a psychological profiler wrote who had never even spoken directly to Bush. They quoted their rumored sources as saying that Bush was on psychotic drugs and a bunch of crap. They are rumor-mongering Bush haters and I don’t care if they claim to have 800 anonymous sources I wouldn’t believe a word that comes out of their mouths, Bob. The fact that you even bother to read them and take them seriously at all is a huge red flag for truth lovers and realists.

    I’ll have more to say later about your other charges. My mind demands a little sleep at the moment, Grand PoohBah. 🙂

    Comment by Jacke — December 18, 2005 @ 8:56 pm

  5. Jacke,

    I really hope you’re right this time, and that Capitol Blue is wrong and that Bush never said what he is alleged to have said.

    I really, seriously, hope you’re right.

    I am dead serious.

    Comment by wildwest — December 19, 2005 @ 7:08 am

  6. Later: Forgive my overreaction. I scanned the Internet to find
    more information on the subject, and so far all of the entries
    mentioned Doug Thompson and questioned its validity. I may be able
    to breathe easy, Jacke.

    The implications of such a statement are truly frightening, although
    it may have been a prank, and not a very funny one at that. In any
    case, I expect we’ll be hearing more about it. I am sure that all of
    us reading this blog, liberal, conservative, or otherwise, would be
    relieved to discover that it was a statement Bush did not actually

    Comment by wildwest — December 19, 2005 @ 8:24 am

  7. Wildwest – That goes for me too. I did some more research on Doug Thompson as well, and he sounds like he’s in the mold of Matt Drudge. Since I always take anything on the Drudge Report with a grain of salt, I should do the same with Capitol Hill Blue.

    We may not hear anything more about it. If the mainstream news organizations can’t find any substantiation for the story, we’ll never hear a thing from them. That would be a good thing.

    Comment by Bob — December 19, 2005 @ 9:08 am

  8. Indeed.

    Comment by wildwest — December 19, 2005 @ 9:29 am

  9. I don’t believe it because it is completely contrary to everything I know about Bush. I also do not believe he would take the Lord’s name in vain in such a manner. No, I’m not saying he is above cursing, I believe there are reports that he has, indeed, cursed, but I cannot imagine him cursing in this way. That’s just my opinion, still free of charge. 😉

    Comment by Jacke — December 19, 2005 @ 9:45 am

  10. I was just listening to Thom Hartmann on the radio, and he is suspicious of the story.
    And he *only* tells the truth!

    Comment by wildwest — December 19, 2005 @ 11:04 am

  11. Hi Jackie, the Bible says the Lord’s Name is Jehovah in Psalm 83:16, not God. In the Bible,
    God and god are used. Small “g” means other gods as in idols. Money can even be a god. So
    can power. This whole debate is too political for me. There’s no point to this. I’m out!

    Comment by connie — January 30, 2006 @ 9:44 am

  12. I have to agree with you.
    Those who don’t need to read more, especially when it comes to Bush.

    Comment by Aaron — March 23, 2007 @ 1:38 pm

  13. There’s an interesting video of bush at:

    He flicks off the camera. There’s more where he’s intoxicated, ect.

    Comment by Cole — March 23, 2007 @ 1:41 pm

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