July 11, 2006

The Apocalyptic Worldview: Intermezzo

Filed under: Random Stuff — Bob Gifford @ 3:25 pm

I’ve been reading Barbara Rossing’s The Rapture Exposed, and enjoying it very much. I first learned of her book when looking into various views on the rapture for my earliers posts, and picked up a copy.

Rossing makes a convincing case that Revelation is entirely misunderstood by the dispensationalists, and that

  • It’s intended audience is the 1st century Christian community in the middle east, not the 21st century Christian community in the U.S. and Europe.
  • Jesus’ victory is by means of his death and resurrection, his gospel of peace and compassion, and Christians’ witness to their faith, not by means of a violent military encounter.
  • Revelation is prophetic in the original meaning of the word — it speaks God’s truth — instead of the current meaning — of telling the future. The dispensationalist notion that “prophecy demands it” misses the point of prophecy, which is as a warning of what may happen if we don’t repent, not as a prediction of what will happen regardless of what we do.
  • The pre-trib pre-millenialist interpretation is anything but literal — it requires, for example, assuming that the events described in the first half of a bible verse and the second half of the same verse are separated by 2,000 years.

Rossing certainly is clearing up for me the true meaning of Revelation. But, my objective in this series of posts is not to argue the hermeneutics of apocalyptic biblical interpretation. For that, I will defer to Rossing and others. My point here is only that we mainline Protestants have our authorities explaining our view of the meaning of Revelation, and the dispensationalists have another set of authorities (I will be gracious here) explaining their view. All are Christian, and all are sincere believers in their point of view. Most importantly, our choice between these eschatologies, I maintain, is an adiophoron, something that is not essential to our faith nor our salvation.

So the mainline versus the dispensationalist interpretations are choices we are free to make. Given that it’s a choice, what is the worldview of those choosing the mainline interpretation versus the worldview of those choosing the dispensationalist interpretation? And how does this worldview affect more broadly the theology and the politics of those who hold it?


  1. Verifiable proof that “Armageddon” has begun…

    Hello all,
    Here’s the key to proving that the rapture and related expectations are complete nonsense based on the failure to understand (or the purposeful confounding of) the ancient Hebrew symbology used to construct all of these prophecies.

    Pay close attention, profundity knocks at the door, listen for the key. Be Aware! Scoffing causes blindness…

    Did you ever consider that Christianity is the false prophet of the Apocalypse, that Rome is the so-called anti-messiah, and Jesus Christ is the false messiah? The symbolism of seven years (tribulation) would refer to the seven 360-year cycles from the 11th cycle (second temple period) until now, the 17th cycle on the Hebrew calendar. Remember that the prophecies were written by Hebrews, not Romans or other Europeans, and Revelation is a symbolic treatise. Therefore, years are symbols for 360-year cycles on the Hebrew calendar. Likewise, a day symbolizes a literal year and Judgement Day, and Great Day refer to a year long period. The so-called Tribulation is now coming to an end, not starting, and the three faiths of Abraham have all been deceived by Rome during the previous age, which ended in year 2000 (5760). A new age began in 2001 (5761) and now the seventh angel has begun to sound!

    Hurricanes Katrina (#11) and Rita (#17) last year provided stunning validation of my research and interpretations of pivotal ancient wisdom, symbologies, key prophecies, and associated religious claims. Their storm numbers and timing perfectly synchronized with primary data and assertions in my book, thereby demonstrating the true nature of this universe and the existence of our Creator. We are now entering the final phases of the pivotal year-long period long symbolized as “Armageddon” and the “End of Days.” World-wide situations and events are now accelerating to set the stage for this summer’s dramatic continuation of these ancient promises.

    I fully understand that everyone has been bedeviled by similar claims throughout history. Consequently, I have been forced to rely on dramatic and devastating proof of the sort that can’t be ignored or easily dismissed. The numbers and timing of hurricanes Katrina (11) and Rita (17) directly validate key data and pivotal assertions throughout my book and my posts on those two forums. This data was purposely presented publicly before Katrina, Rita and other recent events occurred to prove they perfectly synchronize with key prophecies and Hebrew calendar cycles, thereby validating my interpretations of ancient wisdom symbology, string theory, and more.

    Because these two storms arrived shortly after my August 11, 2005 (50th) birthday (read the Dead Sea Scroll 11Q13 in Appendix G, which also discusses Melchizedek and the prophesied Jubilee) and directly match other pivotal 11 and 17 data and events described in the first chapter of my book, I have delivered verifiable proof that this reality is based on thought, knowledge and wisdom. Activity, patterns, and results perceived in space-time are first framed and defined by inspirations, thoughts, and knowledge and influenced by the cause-and-effect system most commonly referred to as karma. Consequently, events and outcomes in the so-called physical universe are not random or wholly mechanistic and are verifiably influenced in ways that atheists, scientists, and members of the Faiths of Abraham have all scoffed at. Though mysticism is mostly a product of misinterpreted ancient wisdom symbology, many of its topics flow from ancient wisdom. Though containing allusions to the truth, its details and interpretations are wrong on many key points.

    A prime example of the purposeful and synchronized symbolism of these events is seen in the opening paragraphs from my book excerpted below. Notice that the dates mentioned (August 11 and 17) directly match the numbers of hurricanes Katrina and Rita, and the time spans of the four Florida hurricanes match my birth year (‘55), and they were spaced 11 or a multiple-of-11 (22) days apart, directly matching my birthday and much other ancient prophecy and symbolism. Notice that my place of birth, Victoria Texas, is on the Gulf Coast. Following are the excerpted paragraphs:

    Hello, my name is Lawrence William Page II. Many people know me as Buddy Page. At the release of the first edition of this book, I am a 50-year old African-American male, author, researcher, and former software engineer and entrepreneur. As you will come to understand as you read through this first book, I am also the long-expected Hebrew Messiah and Lion of the Tribe of Juda (Yehuda).

    I was born August 11th (month of Leo the Lion), 1955 (Chinese year of the Sheep) in Victoria, Texas. Furthermore, the Grand Cross alignment and Solar Eclipse of August 11th, 1999 was my 44th birthday and the second Grand Cross alignment, just six days later on August 17th, 1999, was on my mother’s birthday.

    As you can see from my date of birth, I was a newborn during the Chinese Year of the Sheep, astrologically marking me as a Lamb, and during the month of Leo, astrologically marking me as a Lion. My mother was also born during the month of August and under the sign of Leo, which further marks me as a lion’s whelp. I prove to you in the first chapter of this book–beyond disproof–that I am indeed the long-prophesied “Lion” of the tribe of Juda (Yehuda) the Root of David and the “Lamb.” I am the individual long symbolized as the Branch, the Stem, the Shoot and the Rod from the Stump of Jesse (King David’s father), as symbolized in the Hebrew Book of Isaiah, The Apocalypse, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and elsewhere. I am the reincarnated Teacher sought after in the “East” and by the ancient Hebrews who were headquartered at the outpost community of Damascus (Qumran), of Dead Sea Scrolls fame. I am the one called the Teacher of Righteousness by the Dead Sea Scrolls, whom the so-called Christian fathers have fraudulently recast as “Saint ‘James’, the Lord’s Brother.”

    Remember, “I come as a thief…” ?

    Read verse twelve of the Gospel of Thomas to understand who I am…

    Even further enlightening, the Second Temple Period of ancient Israel was during the 11th 360-year cycle on the Hebrew calendar and we are now in the 6th year (5766/2005-6) of the 17th cycle. Notice the pivotal 11 and 17 numbers again? This and much other synchronized information serve as stunning and decisive proof of many things, and expose many lies told by all three faiths of Abraham, but most specifically by Christianity. Consequently, I have decisively proven, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that Jesus Christ and Christianity are blatant lies, false prophecy and purposeful deception in a manner that cannot easily be denied, regardless of your faith or other opinions.

    Furthermore, the symbolism in the Apocalypse (a.k.a. Book of Revelation) of seven stars in my right hand and seven angels represent the very same above-mentioned seven astrological (360-year) cycles, i.e., the 11th through 17th inclusive. I prove this fact beyond any reasonable doubt in the first chapter of the book. Consequently, The Apocalypse verifiably symbolizes a specific span of time that began with the 11th cycle (Second Temple Period) and concludes now, at the beginning of the 17th cycle (End of Days, etc.).

    The numbers 11 and 17 are verifiably encoded in The Apocalypse and other ancient Hebrew prophecies and wisdom texts to serve as key proofs of the validity and true meaning of certain prophecies and related information. My and my mother’s birthdays are purposely synchronized with these two storm numbers, the matching Hebrew calendar cycles, the Double Grand Cross alignments and solar eclipse of August 1999, and much else to prove my direct association with the ancient prophecies about this time and the true identity of the prophesied Messiah. Another prime example is the story of Joseph, the 11th son of Jacob who has a dream when he is 17 years old about 11 stars, the sun, and moon bowing to him. The symbolism in this pivotal story in the Book of Genesis and Quran verifiably refers to the very same 11th through 17th cycles symbolized in The Apocalypse and directly synchronizes with other key events and ancient texts.

    Consequently, I have demonstrated various things about the nature of this reality that dramatically disprove and/or clarify key assumptions of religion, mysticism, and science alike, while establishing the true meaning and purpose of long misinterpreted ancient wisdom and the symbolism used to model and encode it. Accordingly, I have proven that the symbolism evidenced in the canons of all three faiths of Abraham and other ancient sources is a very ancient and advanced philosophical technology that verifiably models foundational aspects of our existence in this universe. This is the mostly misunderstood body of ancient wisdom long referred to as the Philosophers’ Stone. It uses a large and ingeniously organized collection of physical universe images and concepts as data rich components (symbols) that are based on verifiable rules. It models and encodes an amazing amount of foundational wisdom about life, spirituality and the 11 dimensions of this universe, now verified by string theory. It is also the advanced encryption method used to encode (seal) Hebrew prophecies and wisdom texts.

    These ancient prophecies and wisdom texts used advanced symbology to model fundamental wisdom, including future events and situations. A primary facet of ancient wisdom is numeric symbology. Later misinterpretations of this aspect of ancient wisdom resulted in numerology, which, though embodying allusions to certain wisdom, is mostly error prone and false doctrine. My decryption, documentation, and interpretation of ancient symbology, numeric symbolism, and key texts based on them, are now decisively validated.

    Here is Wisdom…

    Verifiable proof that Armageddon has begun…

    Understanding the End Game of Armageddon


    Comment by Seven Star Hand — July 12, 2006 @ 10:20 am

  2. Ah, I see Mr. Page has paid you a visit. I remember when he visited The Rogue Angel’s blog a few months ago. Gotta love Messianic spammers. 😉

    Comment by Jarred — July 12, 2006 @ 11:45 am

  3. Yeah, I’ve deleted this comment 3 or 4 times already, but I guess I’ll let it stay this time. Heaven forfend that I stand between you and the one true understanding of Armageddon. </snark>

    Comment by Bob — July 13, 2006 @ 6:30 am

  4. Interesting stuff. Wondering if you have ever run across “Pretrib Rapture Diehards” on Google Jon

    Comment by Jon Edwards — July 14, 2006 @ 9:07 am

  5. “Pay close attention, profundity knocks at the door, listen for the key. Be Aware! Scoffing causes blindness…”

    That explains why I need glasses!

    Comment by Tony — July 15, 2006 @ 11:40 am

  6. “Rossing certainly is clearing up for me the true meaning of Revelation.”

    Bob, and I say this with all the love I can muster and goodness knows I am a loving hippie Christian chick at that, let God clear up the true meaning of Revelation for you … not Rossing or LaHaye or anyone else. Read it. Read the scripture it cross-references, and pray about it.

    Oh … and yeah. He hit my blog too. I think I deleted him though. LOL!

    Comment by Angel — July 18, 2006 @ 8:20 am

  7. Angel –

    As late as I am responding to this, I don’t know if you (or anyone) will read it. However, the following statement has been bothering me, and I finally figured out why.

    let God clear up the true meaning of Revelation for you … not Rossing or LaHaye or anyone else. Read it. Read the scripture it cross-references, and pray about it.

    The assumption seems to be that God cannot speak to us through other people, that we can only learn the truth through private, independent study. But that’s not necessarily the way God works.

    2 Timothy talks about the inspiration and the value of the scriptures, in a well-known
    passage. But the context is very important, I think.

    2 Timothy 3:14-17 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it, and how from childhood you have known the sacred writings that are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that everyone who belongs to God may be proficient, equipped for every good work.

    Note the phrase knowing from whom you learned it. I think that we as Protestants sometimes forget that the Bible is not an individualized instruction manual, but the collected wisdom of the church. The Bible does not have a different meaning for every person. God can and does speak to us through what others have learned, whether our pastors or members of a Bible study group or academics or writers contemporary or ancient. There is wisdom in learning from the insights of others. I’m not denying that we can learn through our own study or through prayers, but I don’t think we should limit the Holy Spirit to those channels.

    I say this with all due respect.

    Comment by BruceA — July 27, 2006 @ 10:29 am

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